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warren
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:03 am Reply with quote
Dan wrote:
yeesh, some of you guys are pretty harsh. i'm not morally opposed to downloading (pretty much the opposite), but it's not like you just bought the album expecting something else...

No...but when you listen to the album the normal way...you get really bummed out cause there are great pop songs gone to waste.

I cant believe that theres people that actually enjoy this...you might as well reverse your moms Garth Brooks albums and listen to that...cause right now it appears that theres a lot of AC fanboys/hipsters that'll buy anything that AC is invloved with.

With that being said...im still going for its a joke and we'll find out in a month or so.
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wheeter
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:08 am Reply with quote
Its not really an issue of prefering the songs backwards. Its more of the fact that this is a release we wanted to put out. It has a foreign/other quality and as you said nice warm ambient quality that we like. I wouldnt really say its a noise record. Ive put tons and tons of work into songs noone will ever hear why should it stop me from doing what i want with them. its just because you guys know the songs and can even hear them reversed on your computers that makes you have all these confused thoughts. If you couldnt download bootlegs of the songs and couldnt hear them reversed then you would just say fuck this record sucks..or cool this record rules and youd let it grow on you or you wouldnt. Youd find a place where it works or you wouldnt. Its not hard to flip a reel around and hear it backwards or even decide that it sounds sweet and its not really that bizzare of a record either or that difficult if you can get over the fact that its backwards you dont even need a computer. If you just pass it off as backwards sure ofcourse its not revolutionary or "experimental" youve been able to flip tape for more or less almost 100 years now why would i think its experimental??? Ive heard "i am sitting in a room" okay, i know what experimental music is (hehehe joke).
Its also clear that the bulk of our fanbase is able to put the thing on their computers and listen to it the other way so its not as if we didnt know that was gonna happen either. we dont think it should be heard that way cause songs are sped up, dont have vocals etc. but we know that wont stop you so do what you like, and in a way that is cool.
If there wasnt so much hype and so much of an expectation for us to put out this killer "experimental pop record" then alot of you might never even hear about this record. But wed still be into it and would have faith that some people would too.
we offer this cause we think it is somthing special we made (as equally special as the songs forward) and different from what youve heard and songs that you can get else where. We like the textures and the melodies. And honestly somthing we think our fans can digest. If i thought it was just a "noise record" i wouldnt put it out. If your just passing judgment cause of what youve heard other people say you should atleast check out the record.

by the way it was the 21st of december when we decided this. I think it was a combination of of being stuck in nyc for christmas and seeing that new david lynch movie, so if youre that bummed you can blame the weather and david lynch.
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deaken
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:14 am Reply with quote
i am sitting in a room is a great piece of work! i can't really tell if you're putting it down there
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black666
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:26 am Reply with quote
i made a stupid joke


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wheeter
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:28 am Reply with quote
no im not putting it down its probably right up there with henri chopin and robert ashley's automatic writing and other mind blowing pieces of experimental music you discover when exploring that world ahd think there is nothing better. Thats the joke though.... as good as it is, its also a very cliched piece of experimental music that one might bring up when speaking about intellectual music. And the reality of it is there comes a time when its not really somthing your gonna put on anymore. Youll just bring it up and talk about how great it is.
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phantastick
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:29 am Reply with quote
this is like dave's 'war of the worlds.' but he's not chickening out, like orson whowellses...

oh!

i kill me
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deaken
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:41 am Reply with quote
music on a long thin wire has way more listenability to me than i am sitting in a room

here's an interesting site with an interpretation of that piece plus a bunch of other random sound stuff if anyone has interest

http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/pages/sonicpieces.htm
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codenoise
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:55 am Reply with quote
Location: Tampa, FL
people who aren't enjoying the album need to start being more respectful. i'm in the same corner, and some of my opinions i've posted elsewhere might come off as impolite, but i've seen a couple posts that have been a little too harsh. i am enjoying the debate this is sparking, but lets try not to sway into the "i'm right, you're not, end of discussion" zone.
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jdmayer
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:20 am Reply with quote
Location: Pacific Grove, CA
wheeter wrote:
If i thought it was just a "noise record" i wouldnt put it out. If your just passing judgment cause of what youve heard other people say you should atleast check out the record.

...and seeing that new david lynch movie, so if youre that bummed you can blame the weather and david lynch.


Hey man I will totally check out the record. I don't have the new-fangled downloading programs that the others do so I'll have to wait a bit. I've been a "loyal fan" (AC music is the only new music I even keep track of anymore) for several years and I like some stuff better than others. We all have our tastes and mine run toward the poppy stuff. I love Danse but don't care for Wastered, etc. The fact that you guys remain unpredictable is one of the things I love the most, and I think that goes for pretty much everyone on this board, so whether or not I end up liking it, I'm still pumped that you put out something that you are psyched about and think is worth sharing. I know you are behind it so I will give it some good listens, etc etc.

I couldn't stand any of the Lynch movies I watched but I did finally see SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE and it was mesmerizing and haunting, really wonderful.

Excepter you always post my favorite pictures.
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minorjets
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:26 am Reply with quote
wheeter wrote:
If there wasnt so much hype and so much of an expectation for us to put out this killer "experimental pop record" ...



well, but you actually did it... i mean you will when the album will be out.

i never heard a bootleg of the live performance of these songs, but i really enjoy the way they sound on the album.

i'm not sure if you really understand what you did, but as i said in another thread you finally did something NEW. the last new thing was glitch music. and now this. of course you won't have as much followers as have Nicolas Collins and Oval, but i'm already fighting the temptation to reverse something.

by the way, i don't really like A MAN IN A ROOM... i guess you're talking about Gavin Bryars, right?
but the JESUS' BLOOD NEVER FAILED ME YET record is as beautiful and good as fuck.
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codenoise
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:32 am Reply with quote
Location: Tampa, FL
everyone who likes the real version should buy the cd, and everyone one who likes the songs played forward should get the vinyl and spin it backwards themselves. Very Happy
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deaken
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:32 am Reply with quote
minorjets wrote:
by the way, i don't really like A MAN IN A ROOM... i guess you're talking about Gavin Bryars, right?
but the JESUS' BLOOD NEVER FAILED ME YET record is as beautiful and good as fuck.


i am sitting in a room is lucier
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minorjets
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:33 am Reply with quote
codenoise wrote:
everyone who likes the real version should buy the cd, and everyone one who likes the songs played forward should get the vinyl and spin it backwards themselves. Very Happy


lol
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minorjets
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:39 am Reply with quote
deaken wrote:
minorjets wrote:
by the way, i don't really like A MAN IN A ROOM... i guess you're talking about Gavin Bryars, right?
but the JESUS' BLOOD NEVER FAILED ME YET record is as beautiful and good as fuck.


i am sitting in a room is lucier


i totally fucked up and mistook "I AM SITTING IN A ROOM" FOR "A MAN IN A ROOM, GAMBLING".

gotta go listen to that record you are talking about. thanks, man.


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wilkerton
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:01 am Reply with quote
Location: Bloomington, Indiana
i'm glad dave just posted all of that. have only heard the first track and i was confused for sure. going to reserve judgement until i hear the record in full, but i'm a lot more interested in it again knowing that they both were approaching it honestly and are willing to back it up honestly. reading what he's posted about it just now has made me remember why im a fan of these guys in the first place. and thats not supposed to sound cheesy either.
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Parrotsnest
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:16 am Reply with quote
Location: Ohio (Columbus)
Kid On Holiday wrote:
keep in mind, ol tare tried to convince us that "my singing voice is gone" was noah. buttt, i am kind of curious if one of the kira vocal songs got on the album, naturally, i dont want to ruin the surprise until i can buy it, but its the one where's shes all like "woo-oo-wooo-oo wooo-ooo-wooo-ooo"
Anyone?


Prospect Hummer is a good one live from what Ive heard.
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Saccharine Trust
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:46 am Reply with quote
Location: California
I want it on vinyl! Its great, I know this will sink in more and more each listen.
I wish you guys put it out on tape, even though I could just make my own from a record, but still....
Great record, play a show in California!
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codenoise
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:52 am Reply with quote
Location: Tampa, FL
wheeter wrote:
Its also clear that the bulk of our fanbase is able to put the thing on their computers and listen to it the other way so its not as if we didnt know that was gonna happen either. we dont think it should be heard that way cause songs are sped up, dont have vocals etc. but we know that wont stop you so do what you like, and in a way that is cool.


this one section of avey's post has been bugging me all night. it makes it sound like the sped up songs and vocalless foetus no-man aren't correct in either direction, meaning that the reversed isn't correct as well. i'm trying to stay out of the "this is all a gag to punish piraters" party, but it is making me read into every word he has posted in this thread. i don't think this could be a gag, because it could cause people to not by the album or lower reviews. i am wondering though.
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Kid On Holiday
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:58 am Reply with quote
Parrotsnest wrote:
Kid On Holiday wrote:
keep in mind, ol tare tried to convince us that "my singing voice is gone" was noah. buttt, i am kind of curious if one of the kira vocal songs got on the album, naturally, i dont want to ruin the surprise until i can buy it, but its the one where's shes all like "woo-oo-wooo-oo wooo-ooo-wooo-ooo"
Anyone?


Prospect Hummer is a good one live from what Ive heard.

i wasn't referring to prospect hummer
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codenoise
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:06 am Reply with quote
Location: Tampa, FL
wheeter wrote:
we dont think it should be heard that way cause songs are sped up, dont have vocals etc.


this is the main thing that is bothering me. wouldn't it be instrumental forward and backwards no matter what people do to foetus no-man?
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warren
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:26 am Reply with quote
Im still going with it as a prank. Reverse is one thing, sure it might have some neat moments...but its the chipmunk vocals that makes me think this cant be serious.
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takethemoneyandRUN
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:37 am Reply with quote
Location: Austin (orig. Houston), TX
wheeter wrote:
Its not really an issue of prefering the songs backwards. Its more of the fact that this is a release we wanted to put out. It has a foreign/other quality and as you said nice warm ambient quality that we like. I wouldnt really say its a noise record. Ive put tons and tons of work into songs noone will ever hear why should it stop me from doing what i want with them. its just because you guys know the songs and can even hear them reversed on your computers that makes you have all these confused thoughts. If you couldnt download bootlegs of the songs and couldnt hear them reversed then you would just say fuck this record sucks..or cool this record rules and youd let it grow on you or you wouldnt. Youd find a place where it works or you wouldnt. Its not hard to flip a reel around and hear it backwards or even decide that it sounds sweet and its not really that bizzare of a record either or that difficult if you can get over the fact that its backwards you dont even need a computer. If you just pass it off as backwards sure ofcourse its not revolutionary or "experimental" youve been able to flip tape for more or less almost 100 years now why would i think its experimental??? Ive heard "i am sitting in a room" okay, i know what experimental music is (hehehe joke).
Its also clear that the bulk of our fanbase is able to put the thing on their computers and listen to it the other way so its not as if we didnt know that was gonna happen either. we dont think it should be heard that way cause songs are sped up, dont have vocals etc. but we know that wont stop you so do what you like, and in a way that is cool.
If there wasnt so much hype and so much of an expectation for us to put out this killer "experimental pop record" then alot of you might never even hear about this record. But wed still be into it and would have faith that some people would too.
we offer this cause we think it is somthing special we made (as equally special as the songs forward) and different from what youve heard and songs that you can get else where. We like the textures and the melodies. And honestly somthing we think our fans can digest. If i thought it was just a "noise record" i wouldnt put it out. If your just passing judgment cause of what youve heard other people say you should atleast check out the record.

by the way it was the 21st of december when we decided this. I think it was a combination of of being stuck in nyc for christmas and seeing that new david lynch movie, so if youre that bummed you can blame the weather and david lynch.


Surprised dang avey, you and kria must have been peering into my mind those days.

http://www.ateaseweb.com/mb/index.php?showtopic=234994097
takethemoneyandRUN" @ Dec 17 2006, 11:50 PM wrote:

http://webspace.utexas.edu/cs5676/chordata...paiamsstuff.mp3

We recorded this outside at midnight with a crap computer mic placed in between the two of us sitting on the ground recording into audacity.

So what do you think.
takethemoneyandRUN @ Dec 18 2006, 01:11 PM wrote:

Smile glad you think so.

(for some pleasing sounds also try listening in reverse.)


Reversed sounds kick ass, and the album is sweet.
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lowellsostomi
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:55 am Reply with quote
Location: Toronto
i like.


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citylights
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:00 am Reply with quote
Location: Oregon
this is officially the funniest, saddest shit ever
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black666
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:50 am Reply with quote
it sounds kinda like glitch music this way or something off mille plateaux or whatever.
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'youpsâ
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:45 am Reply with quote
i don't know what to think...i am really confused!!!
why would they say that on paw tracks then : "Other songs are lyrically based" if now the lyrics are all reversed and not undersantable...
but this sentence is also quite confusing : "Regardless of HOW they made their sounds" why do they say that???
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little bones
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:34 pm Reply with quote
Location: feastofviolet.blogspot.com
hey dave, the album is really growing on me. i'm definitly going to get the viynl on the day it comes out. I was wondering that did you design these songs so that they would come out this way backwards while you could play them still live in a different way, or did you record them normally without any intention, then sort of stumble across putting the songs backwards?
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okay shark
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:39 pm Reply with quote
hey lucier fans have you seen that video on the ohm dvd of lucier playing an orchestra of drums with his brainwaves? so bizarre and amazing

i have a lot of respect for i am sitting in a room but can't imagine going back to it all that often

speaking of david lynch, someone should do a record with lyrics backwards-talking midget-from-twin-peaks style
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deaken
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:12 pm Reply with quote
speaking of midgets, if you've never seen skinned deep....shakes v. plates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--XX54-yrXU

^amazing
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wheeter
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:07 pm Reply with quote
guys (girls and boys men and women), there are alot more interesting things to talk about. The cross and the swastika are probably derived from the same symbol and probably mean somthing close to the same thing. Human beings are quickly destroying the earths whale and fish populations as well as alot of its other natural recources. Its one thing to read into a record that touches you and try and figure it out but to to spend so much time arguing about a record that you claim isnt even worth listening to. I dont get it.

If you think id spend this much time creating this mass media joke and write all this stuff just to pull a fast one, then you need to re examine your view of me. I would personally classify myself as a complete looser if i did that not to mention it would be a complete waste of my time. There is a version of foetus man with lots of vocals and the right speed its not a puzzle. Youre probably never going to hear it. We also happened to mix down a version with just guitars cause kristin really liked them alone. That is whats on the record and that is what i ment. So if you want to get down to it, yes some creative thought went into the record cause we though foetus man sounded ridiculous backwards with all the voices in it. You might think sasong does too, we dont.

I dont like radiohead, ill even go as far to say that they are pretty boring. But thats where the discussion ends for me. It doesnt prove that they are a bad band or that any one of their records is bad it just means i dont connect to them. And this is proven by the people that love them and im not gonna go on their fan site and try and argue about it cause that would be silly.
That to me is whats at the heart of liking a band. Its an emotional (or personal) connection you have to them and ultimately i dont believe any one of you can explain this phenomenon atleast i cant. Its not concepts that make you like them and i dont believe its concepts that make you dislike them either.
Is playing an acoustic guitar any more original or "not lazy" then simply wanting to put out your record backwards, is using a marshal amplifier???

i guess this is the last i have to say about this. But i do enjoy some of the talk that has been going on and i hope you can really make an honest choice about how the record (as we intended it) moves you or doesnt and not get too sucked into arguing about it.

d
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weetigerstigers
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:27 pm Reply with quote
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
I really appreciate your responses, Davey!

I have been listening to the record the way it was intended to be listened to, and it is quickly growing on me. What's cool is that all of the actually melodies are still in tact, but are completely different from the way the songs were performed live. Yes - they sound different because they are backwards - but they are completely different none the less, and it's a new way of hearing the songs. The feeling is entirely unlike the songs forward, and as I've been listening to it walking around campus, it's very detached and surreal, but also very pleasant and beautiful.

The first step to appreciating this album is getting over the fact that it's backwards. It's still as just as much as a piece of work from Davey and Kria as the live "forward" songs are, or any other work they have released in the past.

Thanks again for your responses, Dave!
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jdmayer
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:51 pm Reply with quote
Location: Pacific Grove, CA
wheeter wrote:
guys (girls and boys men and women), there are alot more interesting things to talk about. The cross and the swastika are probably derived from the same symbol and probably mean somthing close to the same thing. Human beings are quickly destroying the earths whale and fish populations as well as alot of its other natural recources. Its one thing to read into a record that touches you and try and figure it out but to to spend so much time arguing about a record that you claim isnt even worth listening to. I dont get it.

The people on this board are arguing about Pullhair because they are passionate about your music. Of course there are better things to talk about, but if you are going to put something out that creates a response (something you have always been proud of, even if it isn't your primary goal) you shouldn't be down on people for responding to it. And the argument cuts both ways: If humans are killing all the fish, then not only should we not waste our time talking about your new record, but you shouldn't waste yours making it.
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Shlippi WhereWo!
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:56 pm Reply with quote
Location: THE LOG!
gravey finds radiohead boring? this saddens me so mulch!

Quote:
Ive put tons and tons of work into songs noone will ever


LET US HEAR!

this whole uproar just makes me think of avey inside some sort of glass ball!
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hey hey andy j ! ! !
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:11 pm Reply with quote
he has the ultra pop version of slippi that will remain under lock n key much to the she grin of shlippi!
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Metnal
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:24 pm Reply with quote
I just hope avey doesen't watch 'dune' after making the new LP and decide to add kyle mchlachlan vox samples chipmunked up over the top of peace bone Confused

and start playing guitar (with his feet!)

and getting panda to slow all the drum beats down by 1000%!
and instead of using drum kits for the drum sounds how about have panda beat against pillow cases?

woah!

geo's subtle troniks can be replaced by backwards sounds of him eating potatoes!
think of the subtle mulch munchies!
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Shlippi WhereWo!
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:27 pm Reply with quote
Location: THE LOG!
jeez guys quit turning this thread into a damn farce!

why if i had half a mind i'd have 1/4 a mind to shut yr throats!
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Metnal
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:31 pm Reply with quote
yeah I really only half joke about the whole thing.....I dont think any of us are all THAT fussed considering we CAN just reverse it and enjoy the ol' jambs.

and the reversed version (like all reversed music) DOES have some goody bits

so really we have good music
and this whole reversing malarky really has provided some intense discussion....
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codenoise
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:02 pm Reply with quote
Location: Tampa, FL
just goes to show if you try something original or different, everyone is going to doubt its seriousness. kinda puts the future of creativity in jeopardy if people expect to get burned at the stake for doing something they feel passionate about. thankfully, avey doesn't care and can brush all these haters off.
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hafnarbakki
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:11 pm Reply with quote
Location: Sweden
quoting myself from the múm forum

Quote:


...
however I respect their wanting to release it as they choose. I mean it is their music and their album...
They are artists.
I wouldn't tell Picasso to keep painting paintings from the Blue period, would I?! even if I like them blue.
An artist has to move on, no matter what the audience thinks or wants.


the good thing is that you get a doublealbum for the price of one! : )
I am still waiting for it to be released so I can order it from Paw Tracks.
2 more months to kill...





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AdamH
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:33 pm Reply with quote
codenoise wrote:
just goes to show if you try something original or different, everyone is going to doubt its seriousness. kinda puts the future of creativity in jeopardy if people expect to get burned at the stake for doing something they feel passionate about. thankfully, avey doesn't care and can brush all these haters off.


youre kidding right? haters? no, we are discussing something that has some sort of importance to us whether or not we like it or not has nothing to do with "hating"... you used the words "original," "different," and "creative," all of which i, in no way apply to reversing a track... yes, i also admire avey's ability to take it all in stride, but that's to be expected... you are the only one "hating" here the rest of us are just discussing and voicing opinions, which last time i checked we are allowed to do...
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